Tamil brahmins

Idol worship and brahmins (in an extended view Hindus)

2010-09-22T05:40:00.000-07:00

When you are a child you clutch,hold,bite and even kiss and admire your toy or pets.As we grow old the toys take a social dimension for a "virtual clutching".Mind knows that the toy plays are for the children in minds.But through rituals Hindus and more specifically brahmins keep these social toys ( I mean the idols of the imaginary Gods).Brahmins have built their religious life and economics around that....

please see the site

http://nirmukta.com/ to understand the futility of these types of worship and how the brahmins have cheated the society with questionable and selfish ends preaching sublimity and purity. Brahmin as asocial development is in a wrong footing and our fore fathers have taken us to questionable identities and separation from human development.

We think but act backwards in social norms.We preached cleanliness while all other varnas we thought were not pure.How absurd this thought process any simp[le thinking will reveal.

Tamil brahmins and Dravidians

2010-06-04T23:07:00.000-07:00

Tamils to grab power entrusted the local backward class people who rule TN with some trust.But genes have it; they practise all corrupt practises and tell their followers it is due to brahmin boycotting them culturally.Men are are like atoms at macro level.they aggregate for some attraction and money making and even sex when the genetic requirement makes them to feel the sexual heat.With power they achieve all these areas.Now the turn of the "middle" of the caste structure in India to storm Parliament and make poor poorer.

In South India there were more Kingdoms and later some methodical civil structure and peaceful living because of brahmins who were given to religious ways and chores.They considered money as alien and god is giving them money.Some went to the other end of the spectrum.In North India the local people were ruled in remote areas by decoits of gangs which were of any caste and color.These people could have panchayats and were free and collected kist etc.Now JP Narayan tried to remove this aspect by a scheme to make them surrender to him.They did and they did not trust the Govt then Now also they don't trust the Govt.Who is to blame.The ways of the Govt.which is taking care of the backward yadavs and Punjabi's rather then the poor villagers.The Congress Govt has forgotten the slogan of Gandhi"that nation lives in the villages".Villages have not been developed.When the policemen die and connive with Maoists etc who are modern age decoits they talk of development.The congress govt should go as its policies are urban and money oriented filling the pockets of politicians.Many have Swiss accounts why congress is silent in not revealing their names and arresting them.In the name of Globalisation and Forex earning these bigwigs are cheating the poor and seizing their lands. ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM THROUGH SOCIAL ACTIVISTS AND PEOPLE OF THE CULTURE OF J.P.Narayan or his stature. Even Arundhathi sounds like correct...But she is not leading any march to the Maoists nor AgniVesh who is hiding behind non-contacts enlarging his sphere of influence with Govt.

the icons and symbols

2009-10-24T21:13:00.000-07:00

Shaivaities subtly worship phallus which is the iconic symbol of creativity of the male.
Vaishavaites show marks and symbols which are similar to female organ in outline

Why? this shows godliness is nearer to sex.When acharya Rajneesh wanted to reach God thru sex and sexuality oriented activities these people decried and humilated his words as yankee culture. See the basic theme and cardinal icons of hinduism are symbols of procreation or signs akin to that on human body

Aged Iyengars

2009-10-24T21:06:00.000-07:00

Many aged Iyengars are orthodox without being scientific.They presume and assume as if they are are very clean and they only represent God and take up cudgels for the poor.they do all activities which are immoral.Some bus drivers of the Mutts in south smoke and even indulge in many unhygienic activities.
Iyengar priests and vadhyars tell wrong mantras and even they charge in Rs1000/ hr for pujas while the world is grinding at different pace,these people loot the brahmins.
Sanskrit slokas that are not understood by even brahmins are blurted out or shouted in a unmusical and unhealthy manner.All the sampradayas are mostly propagated by old Iyengars who are detrimental to brahmin culture.
They amass donations and propagate activities which are non-productive.

Book thought to be non-conceptual by the west later appreciated as relevant

2009-10-01T07:39:00.000-07:00

Mutual Aid; a factor of evolution by kniaz Petr Alekseevich Kropotkin

I purchased the book from Land Mark Chennai and got quite absorbed in reading this small book.
this seems to be relevant in our talk on Tamil Brahmins.Cooperation and flocking together for security reasons were a sociological necessity. The book was published in early years of 20th century...many have taken the concept for group work and cooperation and coexistence.Indians follow this concept like the animals as stated by the author.
Thus there is an important genetic orientation in the flocking either for a religion or cause or a dogma or even simple mutual assistance. Even self help groups are born out of the disposition in the evolution.

this important factor is followed by christian groups and even Muslims by namaz etc.Hindus celebrated in groups in temples but did not further the concept into action.They kept walls of separation like "anti-bonding orbitals of the covalent bonds" in chemicals.
Tamil brahmins observed some rituals using sanskrit as language to further the distnct separation from local masses who were for survival non-vegetarians.the Sanskrit they used was evolved out of local intonations.The Sanskrit spoken by the north Indian brahmins and southern Tamil brahmins differed in content and even pronunciation.
These are because of preservation of a different genetic direction for survival of ego and a feeling of superiority as if they were god-heads.

On RAM, God as force principle,Nietzsche

2009-09-30T20:56:00.000-07:00

Friday, September 21, 2007

God is a force principle

I follow the German philosophers who claim God as a "force-principle".

Unable to maintain themselves by self efforts or own actions,the weak in the society wanted some moral props and recognition. Hence came a common path of perpetration of the notions of pity,sympathy,of brotherly love,kindness and good will.

The weak members of the society even now greatly outnumber the strong willed.

Hence these notions became cardinal virtues for the priests of all groups and religions to propagate and unionise these weak public society.

Although man is "homo economicus" basically,they kept this under the carpet but amassed donations to distribute to all needy weak willed members.This is what the christian missionaries follow.

Communists and materialists kept poverty as the denominator and aggressive antagonism to rich and strong willed as their ploy to dominate their world for recognition.

Hence god was kept out because eating food was the theme. while majority saw God in the food they eat communists felt it is with the rich and poor should own it.Thus they combined the aggression of Nietzsche in their activities without mental relaxation.

They are blindly opposed to anything godly even spiritual mind and ways. Communists increase poverty in the minds of the people.

Nietzsche

Nietzsche attracted me as a thinker for his views were very objective. He considers human beings are born to conquer and not to secure. If you analyse this I think a sort aggresiveness is a residue.Conquer what?..... attack whom?............. For what?..............

Security is a defensive feeling.Securing our life is in the genes. But Nietzsche preached otherwise.

Did Nietzsche know about RAM? But he was aware of the basic christian emotions.He rebelled agaist such emotions. Wrote books and propagated his ideas for posterity to think.Did not create a forced following.

But in the recent averments of MK in Tamil Nadu in India it is indecent to say Ram does not exist.

His motives are evident.Many think and wonder and analyse the reasons although MK claims to have the whole sale contact for reasons. his machiavellian act slowly unfolds.

Who is God? What is God?......... this question requires answer in a fitting manner for the rationalist............................

Ram! Ram!

Hey Ram

Ram ram repeat several times with a blank mind.You get a feeling of calmness.Stress is relieved.

Gandhi has this as mantra.Ram connotes simplicity and grandeur together.

Ram may be a virtual character but he is from the times we venerate epics of India.

Ram is a godhead.A means to reach God by repetitive mantra.

Ram is straightforward.He is not political. He is not for the stressed communism.

Christianity propagated itself on prayer and love sympathy,kindness and such basic emotions.

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Brahmins should get up at Brahma Muhurta

2009-03-14T06:01:00.000-07:00

However, the life of a Brahmin was the most difficult. As per the Shastras (holy books) their duties comprised of teaching, learning, performing Yajna (vedic rituals), accept charity and give charity.

The typical daily schedule of a Brahmin, according to the Sastras, is described as following:

• A Brahmin must get up two hours before the sunrise (Brahma muhurta).

• After getting up, he cleans his teeth, bathes in cold water and performs prayer

• Next he performs rites or sacrifices to the gods

• Next is the daily study and chanting of the Vedas

• In the second part of the daytime, the Brahmin must teach his disciples the Vedas

• Afterwards he must gather flowers himself for the worship he is to perform.

• Since he is not expected to earn a salary, he must beg for his food and also for the materials for the conduct of various sacrifices.

Shastras gave Brahmins the right to beg for their food and other requirements. They were not expected to accumulate wealth and own lands. They must donate excess charity to the priests. Brahmins were permitted to eat only Sattvik or simple food which included raw fruits and vegetables, milk, and limited cereals.

The daily schedule, eating habits and duties prescribed for Brahmins, were based on long experience of Indian philosophers. They had understood that the only method to create divine or eternal knowledge was to rise above the worldly pleasures of senses.

This is reported as a stipulation....but nowadays brahmins don't worship god so intensely at least publicly because of the anti-racist feelings unleashed by the Dravidian parties of Tamil Nadu.Many have become scientists and contribute to society.but the non-brahmins occupy business and other vocations including politics and try to amass wealth.Even today brahmin shines in his work and is dutiful in majority.He shows higher morals and integrity.

S.V.Shekar

2009-03-09T08:02:00.000-07:00

Now at least S.V.Shekar is bold to demand 7% reservation.But the percentage of brahmins is 14%.He should demand more than 10%. Some hooligans thru petrol bottles at his house.this shows their cowardice and brute nature.they behave like animals without mind or intelligence.these fellows think brahmins are Aryans and indulge in racist behaviour with impunity. They were trying ethnic cleansing of brahmins.But brahmin tamil force is world wide now.The non-brahmin tamil force in the world adopts brahminical values and hence succeds.Only the non-brahmins of tamil nadu are incapable people who throw acid bottles and petrol bombs like terroists.Who knmows they may be terrorists in the making.Police should throw proper light by dedicated probe if they want any faith in democratic institutions.

Tamil NEw years Day!!!

2009-01-19T22:28:00.000-08:00

I follow the reasoning by Dawkins and the ilk. Mr.Karunanithi is bent upon changing the age-old tradition of celebration ogf the Tamil New year on April 13 ie Chithirai 1.Can he rename the pongal day as Chithirai 1 so that that would become the beginning of the tamil calender?

He is trying to pull a cultural revolution in Tamil Nadu...As Mao did in china. Let him understand that we are living in the internet age of which he can hear and see and not think and work.He has no cognition of the information age being very old.

Can he give the reasons for the shift of the day? Mainly brahmins celebrate the Tamil Newyear on the Vishu day...or April 13.....Is he still peeved on brahmins....?
Why this drama of shadow boxing?
People know that the present Govt does not represent the forward class and Dalits equally.May Thirumavalavan will realise this quickly and join BSP to save Dalits.
Agitating against the brahmins so-called absent domination OBC classes and Backward classes came to power in Tamil Nadu riding on the Anti-hindi feeling of the masses.Now the real downtrodden ie Dalits are secondary and brahmins have become an extinct force...If Karunanithi thinks like this it is incorrect.Brahmins will join with Dalits to see the cultural damage is repaired and due positions are restored.

new Tamil Brahmin portals and moneys collected.

2008-07-23T02:09:00.000-07:00

Many portals have come up for tamil brahmins and play on the sympathies of the expats and try to garner funds. How the funds are used? They don't reveal this transparently.In the name of Tamil brahmins these portals should not indulge in violence and illegal activities.

2008-05-07T04:43:00.000-07:00

Many tamil brahmins don't cooperate among themselves. They think they are individually great.the main reason for all these are their old culture.Their women feed them with subservience and inflate their ego inside the house.

Once out in the street he is a minority and a weak fellow.He cannot intonate the tamil language as the majority tamilian.He still claims the his way of pronouncing the tamil words is superior to the majority which is far away from truth.

He thinks he keeps hygiene better while his moribund ways contribute to his accumulation of bacteria etc on his body.Poverty was a hall mark of such brahmins in earlier decades. Now many are rich and their wards are almost in the main stream of faceless culture of the urban areas.

In the name of supporting the poor vadhiyars and archakas they still conduct some religious rituals in their houses. Many collect donations and don,t help as these donations go into the pockets of those who manage the funds. They are adept in false accounting.Many are CAs or cost accountants know the ways to manipulate accounts silently.

They don't want to dabble in hard work for the community while they collect the money from the community even through the internet. Many such sites don,t have legal moorings and accountability and are happy to collect funds. They don,t declare their identities. and account details. While organisations like Tambras are inactive at the concept level and behave like secular organisations ,they don't voice their protest to oppressive behaviour of other communities towards brahmins. At least they show some accounts have a structure for organisation. The internet communities have no such structure or stature ,My advice to all NRI tamil brahmins is not to get duped by such immature organisations who accumulate wealth and money.If they indulge in violent activities who would be responsible.
We should not allow them to tarnish the name of the community by arming them with economic grist and funds. Before you donate please ask for accounts and other clearances from RBI etc.Ask for objectives and a certificate that they work towards objectives non-violently and legally.

Tamil first and bramins next........................

2008-02-13T04:20:00.000-08:00

Mr MK frequently quotes Bharathidasan who has taken his name from Bharati who is a brahmin. He recognised the Tamil devotion of Bharati and not his Brahmanism.Even Bharati has declared that there no castes. While such a follower of Bharati and Bharathidasan is anti-brahmin in his utterances.

Many brahmins talk and behave that they have taken God on a lease and they almost own the religion.This behavior without any usefulness to humanity can preach retrograde steps only. What is required for the world is a peaceful life and eradication of poverty and then happiness and decent and worthwhile life for the human beings.

Now the brahmin boys are quite busy leaning and earning in computer comapanies.They should come forward to think universally and in a group to help humanity.

NEW upstarts of Tamil brahmins

2007-12-04T07:15:00.001-08:00

There are many sites and fora devoted to Tamil causes and Tamil brahmin causes.the site WWW.Tamilbrahmins.com is one such site.

They talk all good as well as bad perspectives on Tamil brahmins. The administrators collect donations.They say that it is registered as a trust. some old bureaucrats retired from Delhi and NRI guys who are the new rich brahmins run the site.they don't give full profiles to public.They want to supersede Tambras as an institution.

Some talk about old Sampradayams.Some ask basic questions.Some indulge in innuendos and mockeries as was the habit of old Tamil brahmins.

When facts and truths are expressed that forum gets into a recoil mood and wants mutual admiration societies.

Further what they do with the sums amassed? they preach and criticise others.Even other castes.I am of the firm view that brahmins were and are being oppressed in Tamil Nadu and in India at large.But these site preach sermons against all caste and the way people post appears to me to ne anti-other castes than they are anti-brahmin.Other castes oppress and suppress the brahmin supremacy.But his pack of new NRI in coordination with some locals are more anti-Muslim and anti-other non-brahmins than those non-brahmins are against brahmins.

Brahmins are 7% and deserve 7% percent importance in mass societal activities and cannot claim all the 100%.importance.Further Tamil brahmins lack first
line managerial capacity.They are good as second line if we analyse at the macro-level.
Hence they cannot demand all the cake and make a far cry of oppression.

Further as they are veggies in a majority sense ,although the new rich NRIs are not in large number,they cannot exclude others of secular and "Sadbavana" characters from their fold.
this elitist thought that they are the only meritorious in the world adds lot of hubris in their character.Even brahmin women who belong to the new rich category behave in churlish manner,forgetting all modesty.Many brahmin girls elope with other caste boys as they consider brahmin guys as not very masculine or they don't consider them as dependable.

This Tamil brahmin site is taking cudgels for Archakas and some some priests.If you visit chidambaram and see the behaviour of the Gurukalls there you will understand the hatred towards these people are justified. High vacant hubris and haughtiness displayed by them is abominable. further there are priests in Tiruttani temple who fight cases to utilise the temple lands etc. these priests were growing in mushrooms in Malaysia and Singapore and visiting those temples.But hey were running businesses on the side.Many have shops or taxi business. they don't help their neigbours who are poor.

While i support the voice against any suppression or oppression I don't want the brahmins to conduct themselves by overdose of hatred of other non-brahmins claiming genetic purity.
As I have tried to educate the Tamil brahmins with my experience to accept realities and correct their cultural gaps.But the "selfish-gene" which is working is a bit exploitative in brahmins and more in Tamil brahmins. this should be consciously corrected.
Further i have found in them timidity with cunningness to look down upon other castes despite the fact others have tolerated them over a period of history without doing any ethnic cleansing.

Tamil brahmins links

2007-12-03T05:03:00.000-08:00

http://realitycheck.wordpress.com/2006/12/09/another-statue-story/

www.india-forum.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t914.html

www.tamilbrahmins.com/archive/index.php/t-137.html

www.answers.com/topic/e-v-ramasami-naicker

www.forumhub.com/tnhistory/index_old.html

www.hinduwisdom.info/Glimpses_XIX.htm

http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=FHq&q=Tamil+brahmins+anti-brahminism+Karunanidhi+EVR+Iyers++Iyengars+&btnG=Search&meta=

www.livemint.com/2007/11/16235400/TN8217s-antiBrahmin-moveme.html

ier.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/14/2/255?ck=nck

hamsa.org/StThomas_Chapt_4.htm

www.hindunet.org/srh_home/1996_3/msg00232.html

Brahmins of Tamil nadu are meek souls following their rituals and other avocations.Many are cooks,run hotels(brahmin hotels),Grukkals ,Vadhyars. They have all along shunned adopting carpentry,masonry and such hard physical jobs, because there daily routine and some words in the Vedas and other brahminical texts pull them apart towards worshiping God on a daily basis with rituals like the jews.As orthodxy fed them with bhojan on freely from landlords and temples they carried on a mental journey of bakthi.Thinking the imaginary path of God and religious ways will help them to lead a good life.

But the surge of materialism saw a few as advisers to Kings on many matters.They were quick to grasp mathematics and science because of their habit of reciting verses and memorizing them.Over a period of time these habits have got impregnated in the genes of the brahmins and their progeny.

They quickly grabbed the authority of expertise and to some extent concern.But the position remained secondary economically.

Above links give an idea of the hatred they are subjected to the extent of oppression.As they don't react with violence like the Muslims they were bashed right left and center.If the politicians of parochial nature in TN don't have any issues or points to talk or if they wan to divert the attention of the people they used to lecture against brahmins as they don't react with violence or opposition.

The same politicians cannot utter a single word against other castes and sub-castes as they are majority if put together in the electorate.